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shyan



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PostSubject: question for py...   Fri 2 Mar 2007 - 13:13

why do you guys sing in english?

there are a few other bands i listen to, like theatre of tragedy, who sing in english instead of their native language, and i never understood why.

just wondering.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 2 Mar 2007 - 13:17

A few other bands? i would say its more or less 50 - 50. Its more or less rare for a Band to sing in their native languages. I guess that there are different reasons:

1.- If you sing in English, more people will actually understand what you are saying, as simple as that. (without having to use translators and god-knows-what-else)

2.- The language is 'easy' (im refering to the structure), most of the words are short (if we compare it, for example, with german) and this makes it more easily to sing it and to make if 'fit' with the ears of the listeners


I don't think there is a reason why they sing in english, its just the way it is.

Or am i wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 2 Mar 2007 - 14:07

i think you're right

moreover, i'm french and, most of the time, i don't like bands who sing in french...
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 2 Mar 2007 - 16:57

yeah i've been told that the translation process is a real pain in the ass, regardless of which language is originally spoken.

and Maho's right about length and stuff. english has more slang and abreviated text than most languages i think.

plus, if you're talking about the typical 5 "romance languages" as they're called (French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian), they have a real smooth sound. sounds good to the ears. so if you're a heavy metal band, screaming what amounts to, let's say, "i fucking hate you bitch! i want to die!" it might not sound as serious if it sounds like excerpts from an Italian love story film.....

or is that just 'cause i'm american? silent
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Sat 3 Mar 2007 - 2:30

It may also be cultural, PY belongs to a tradition and plays a music that quite not typically french...
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Mon 5 Mar 2007 - 13:06

HD wrote:
It may also be cultural, PY belongs to a tradition and plays a music that quite not typically french...

absolutely.

To be honest, I used to write french lyrics but I was never satisfied with these. French can be really ridiculous if you don't write PERFECT stuff. I gave up. English is easier to warp and twist...
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Mon 5 Mar 2007 - 19:28

vx cheerleader 69 wrote:
HD wrote:
It may also be cultural, PY belongs to a tradition and plays a music that quite not typically french...

absolutely.

To be honest, I used to write french lyrics but I was never satisfied with these. French can be really ridiculous if you don't write PERFECT stuff. I gave up. English is easier to warp and twist...

Exactly.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Mon 5 Mar 2007 - 20:02

to me, "c'm on baby, shake yar hips and do the twist" ain't english. it's rock'n roll language. it happens to be english, but guess what, elvis was born in mississippi. had things happened like they do in "the ground beneath her feet", maybe most rock bands would be speaking indian.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Tue 6 Mar 2007 - 5:21

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to me, "c'm on baby, shake yar hips and do the twist" ain't english. it's rock'n roll language. it happens to be english, but guess what, elvis was born in mississippi. had things happened like they do in "the ground beneath her feet", maybe most rock bands would be speaking indian.

i like the way you think Wink
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 7:13

ok. i see what you mean by french not being right for this kind of music.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 12:32

actually there are some french bands managing to use french in an interesting way, but they are but a few. I especially think of the first albums by The Young Gods.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 18:34

Bérurier noir and Les Ordures Ioniques
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 18:56

A lot of people like french Hip Hop...
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 19:03

French hip-hop is very.... interesting.... Very Happy

quite a difference from the gangster crap produced over here... silent
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 19:35

Hehehe...
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 21:00

we have some cool french hip-hop, but LOTS of crap too. The real cool use of french is in "songs" - Serge Gainsbourg, Jacques Brel, and MANY others. But the only real cool rock band singing in french was probably Noir désir (RIP)
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 21:32

Noir Desir... and...

Gronibard...

Ok ok ok ... i see the door...:ugly:
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 23:54

haenZel wrote:
A lot of people like french Hip Hop...
who ?shock and what kind of french hip-hop ? you're making me curious now.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 23:55

vx cheerleader 69 wrote:
we have some cool french hip-hop, but LOTS of crap too. The real cool use of french is in "songs" - Serge Gainsbourg, Jacques Brel, and MANY others. But the only real cool rock band singing in french was probably Noir désir (RIP)
and the wampas.



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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Wed 7 Mar 2007 - 23:59

scritch wrote:
haenZel wrote:
A lot of people like french Hip Hop...
who ?shock and what kind of french hip-hop ? you're making me curious now.

lol2
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Thu 8 Mar 2007 - 22:38

french is difficult to write for songs i find..
hard to make it rock too..

i listen to very few bands who sings in french for example

we have a tradition of french songs where the text is very very important and so the lyrics are finely written and get most of the attention of the listeners .. the text is at the center of the song, instead of the music or a mix of the two ..

it's hard to get that level when writting (if the band want to stick to that tradition), and that's not very compatible with the useal 'rock' type (format?)...

also french is less straight (direct?), sentences are longer for example...

and in the other hand most of the things in french sounds silly i think when they don't have litterary lyrics or when they try to get the level of some classic french singers but don't get it ... more basic rock stuff (that's not a judgement, i like things 'simple' or 'straight/direct', 'basic') sounds odd in french, because we're not used to it ... or we don't see it as serious .. because of that tradition ..

they're are only a few of bands / artists who performed notable lyrics and notable music -both at the same time- in french, it seems...

and the only band that done Rock stuff and French lyrics well (without being too litterary nor too basic) was Noir Désir.

No other bands come to my mind, except Noir Désir ...

And as Rock is not a traditionnal thing in france, when you do Rock-kindof stuff, you usueally make the things the way englishs and americans do it, so you sing in english, too


(sorry for my possible bad english btw, i should train myself to write english more often...)


and for the frenches, is there an english thing like "varieté" ? that's not "pop", is it ? there is no international thing like what we call "variété" ?
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Thu 8 Mar 2007 - 22:45

And I'd like to know what kind of French Hip Hop you know too

Because most of the tops selling rappers in france make gangsta rap too, well it's not gangsta rap because they're really no such thing in france, but they like to copy the US rappers and do the bad boys too..

there is a lot of underground hip hop else, but I only know overground stuff, because I stopped listening to hip hop when things got huge and commercial in the 90's--

except some bands like TTC, La Caution, Svinkels, Le Klub des Loosers, etc, who are apart from the hip hop scene.. so, they make rap but are not listened by people who usually listen to rap.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Thu 8 Mar 2007 - 23:04

Well I don't know wich are artist are good or not. I don't like the most Hip Hop artists and actually I HATE french lyrics there but I know a lot of people who like french rap (maybe I used the wrong word)...

Whatever...
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 0:13

Whatever wrote:
and in the other hand most of the things in french sounds silly i think when they don't have litterary lyrics or when they try to get the level of some classic french singers but don't get it ... more basic rock stuff (that's not a judgement, i like things 'simple' or 'straight/direct', 'basic') sounds odd in french, because we're not used to it ... or we don't see it as serious .. because of that tradition ..
yeah. sumthin like surf's up! bring da chicks cuz we gonna have fun sounds quite ridiculous in french, and so wonderful in english. can't explain why.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 0:18

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Whatever wrote:
and in the other hand most of the things in french sounds silly i think when they don't have litterary lyrics or when they try to get the level of some classic french singers but don't get it ... more basic rock stuff (that's not a judgement, i like things 'simple' or 'straight/direct', 'basic') sounds odd in french, because we're not used to it ... or we don't see it as serious .. because of that tradition ..
yeah. sumthin like surf's up! bring da chicks cuz we gonna have fun sounds quite ridiculous in french, and so wonderful in english. can't explain why.

ange bash

ok, well, I realise i didn't really said what I wanted and maybe (surely?) said some stupid things ... so forget what I said above ! sorry afro
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 4:15

wait, doesn't Tamtrum sing in French sometimes? umn
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 5:22

Good french lyrics sure are a rare thing...
Still I'd like to add Brigitte Fontaine and Jad Wio to the list, for two reason :
The first being that, out of all the bands singing in french that I like, they might be the only two that are still in activity today. And they also are two who have both good lyrics and good music (even if it doesn't appear clearly on Brigitte Fontaine's records, it's completly different live, and quite obvious then). I'm not sure it can be called "rock" though... Well, Brigitte claims to play "baroque'n'roll' music...

Come to think of it, bands such as sexy sushi or vive la fete also sing in french, and, despite everything, I do think they have great lyrics. Really. Not just funny lyrics, great lyrics. Yeah.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 5:34

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wait, doesn't Tamtrum sing in French sometimes? umn

they do. and that illustrates CLEARLY what we are saying : "touch the sky" sounds pretty nice in a song, whereas "toucher le ciel" il quite ridiculous (sorry for tamtrum guys, however i like that song Wink). i think that to write a good song in french, you have to be a very good writer.
Exemple : Didier Bortek from Jad Wio


OR, as an alternative solution, you can write the most trashy and stupid things that you are able to.
Exemple : some things like "i want to see ya in a porno movie, acting with your dick, potatoes or fries shaped, to know all about your anatomy etc..." are called a hit in france.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 13:41

toxxxicjordan wrote:
wait, doesn't Tamtrum sing in French sometimes? umn

they do. And, quite surprisingly, they managed to avoid being ridiculous.
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PostSubject: Re: question for py...   Fri 9 Mar 2007 - 13:44

Whatever wrote:
scritch wrote:
Whatever wrote:
and in the other hand most of the things in french sounds silly i think when they don't have litterary lyrics or when they try to get the level of some classic french singers but don't get it ... more basic rock stuff (that's not a judgement, i like things 'simple' or 'straight/direct', 'basic') sounds odd in french, because we're not used to it ... or we don't see it as serious .. because of that tradition ..
yeah. sumthin like surf's up! bring da chicks cuz we gonna have fun sounds quite ridiculous in french, and so wonderful in english. can't explain why.

ange bash

ok, well, I realise i didn't really said what I wanted and maybe (surely?) said some stupid things ... so forget what I said above ! sorry afro
i think you were quite clear, and there was zero irony in my reply.
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